President Trump‘s attorney Rudy Giuliani hit the Sunday morning show circuit to go on the offensive following escalating speculation that Trump’s former longtime attorney and personal fixer, Michael Cohen, may turn on the president.
Giuliani insisted to Fox News’s Chris Wallace that he doesn’t believe the president’s camp is “at war” with Cohen, but his charges that Cohen is a “liar,” a “manipulator” and a “scoundrel” suggested otherwise.
“It seems to me his default position is to lie,” Giuliani said on “Fox News Sunday.”
“He’s a bad liar because he lies in contradiction to tapes and he lies in contradiction to what I just said is probably supported by anywhere from two to five witnesses,” he added.
Cohen is under investigation in New York’s Southern District for possible bank fraud and campaign finance violations. He has appeared increasingly willing to cooperate with investigators in recent weeks, and the revelation that Cohen secretly recorded conversations has raised questions about what incriminating information he may have on the president.
Cohen raised the stakes when he reportedly claimed that then-candidate Trump knew of his son’s plans to meet with a Russian lawyer at Trump Tower during his 2016 presidential campaign. Cohen indicated he is willing to tell as much to special counsel Robert Mueller. The president and his allies have repeatedly denied having known about the sit-down.
Giuliani on Sunday sought to quell speculation over whether there are additional recordings featuring Trump.
Giuliani told CBS’s “Face the Nation” that Trump’s legal team is aware of 183 separate conversations that Cohen recorded. Of those, he said Trump is “discussed at any length” on 11 or 12, and is only recorded on one tape.
CNN aired audio from that tape last week, which features Cohen and the president discussing the possibility of purchasing the account of a former Playboy model who alleges she had an affair with Trump in 2006.
But the CNN tape clears Trump of wrongdoing in that matter, Giuliani argued. The lawyer said Cohen’s propensity to record conversations made Cohen’s Trump Tower claim suspect.
“If he taped everything else, why the heck didn’t he tape this? It’s not on tape,” he said on Fox.